On Dec 16, 2020, at 6:07 PM, James Kempf <kempf42@...> wrote:

Hi Shuli,

Thanx for the link, I will check it out. The last bit sounds like a New Year's resolution. ☺ Agree about the need to focus on the code and I hope by the end of 2021 we will have forged a microgrid and VPP platform with a couple deployments under our belts. 

                 jak

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 4:27 PM Shuli Goodman <sgoodman@...> wrote:

Ken, thanks for bringing this up. I thought I sent this to the group early this morning, but apparently not!

@Surj, based on our previous emails, and not responding to Ken below...it sounds like the use case work you volunteered for has not moved forward. Did I get that right? That was the agenda we agreed to for this meeting, referenced below and in the recording of the meeting. 

Given the quality of attention I am noticing in almost all meetings this week, I think it is time to wind things down. I propose we take a pause and regroup in 2021…no harm no foul.

REMOVE THE MEETING FROM YOUR AGENDAS!

I invite folks to watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggdYts4muu0

I would like to capture the architecture - which they lay out - and work from there…if someone wants to model the stack and the design, that would be a great way to start 2021! 

There is ONE thing the Tesla team references that bears a comment from me - Tesla quotes Alan Kay's "people who are serious about software should make their own hardware". While famous and oft repeated, I disagree with that - it is not true (you will see it towards the end). Perhaps in the beginning of a market (like we are at with energy and batteries) there is an advantage. However, based on every technology diffusion case…abstraction and commodification and democratization of innovations are assured (even with Apple - Android  has 73% global adoption - disrupted with OSS and commodity handsets at a fraction of the cost). 

Kay's fantasy  didn't work with HP who tried it.  Nor with his company - Kaypro - ever hear of it? Plus, open source apparently ate hardware and software since he said this in the early 80s ;-)

And, the same will be true with Tesla. The economics don't and will never pencil out for a one company planet. I can go on and on about how miscalculated this quote was. 

But, it did inspire some amazing hardware and software that led in creating new categories. 

...Otherwise…a great 42 minutes ;-) 

So, fear not we are on a great journey!

I am looking to LF Energy members Sony, Monash, NCSU, Vanderbilt, and OSISoft to think about how they want to pick up the leadership around MGs. I have some ideas about how to move us forward. Code needs to be the beginning. The LF is a "code first" organization. I have some ideas, but ultimately it is the members and the TAC who need to drive. 

My prediction is that when the Sony project comes in, plus RIAPS gets some field testing, and then Q1-Q3 Monash's software comes in to the foundation, we will become more focused on what we are all here for. The code.

Thank you thank you thank you!

Happy New Year.

Shuli



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On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:41 AM, Ken Dulaney <kadulane@...> wrote:

Surj, my notes from our last meeting indicate that you agreed to lead an effort to update the use case document to help guide our discussion. Are you ready to talk about that at this meeting? 

And if not, does anyone else have agenda items to discuss?

-Ken